Romney, Reagan and the Riff Raff

Thursday, September 20, 2012
By Frank Lockwood

Mitt Romney on the have-nots:

“There are 47 percent who are with [President Obama], who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it…My job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

Ronald Reagan on the have-nots (and the rest of us):

“I know in my heart that man is good, that what is right will always eventually triumph. And there’s purpose and worth to each and every life.”

15 Responses to “Romney, Reagan and the Riff Raff”

  1. So, was Reagan a Pelagian?

  2. This quote is engraved on Ronald Reagan’s tomb, and he didn’t get it from Augustine or Calvin.

    The Gipper’s sunny optimism — born, perhaps from his roots in Mainline Protestantism — made it hard for him to accept the doctrine of total depravity.

  3. Perplexed

    I would like to see the data that determines the 47 percent!

  4. I think he was referring to the polls stating that 47 percent in certain states or the country as a whole would vote for Obama. I think his terminology is a little stronger than I would have used, but the meaning of his comment is accurate. Too many look to the government as some sort of savior rather than the necessary evil that it is. They want the government (or everyone else, in other words) to fix almost everything that is hard or unpleasant in their lives. Well, history has shown that governments “fix” things alright, but usually not the way it was intended. This happens when you give power (especially power you don’t personally posses in the first place) to someone else.

    This does not mean they are evil or bad, really, just willing to give up freedoms for perceived security. Most are probably quite good people that are just easily duped, because they fall prey to the common human failing (we all do this to some extent) of blaming and feeling like victims. And no doubt in some cases they are, but government cannot fix most problems—at least not without creating many more. Romney is no Reagan, but he gets this, at least.

  5. José

    Nope. Spinning ain’t gonna work. Any reasonable person will see that Gov. Romney plainly asserted that the 47 percent who do not pay federal income tax are the 47 percent who support President Obama.

    “There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. So he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean, that’s what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

    Clearly, Gov. Romney is wrong on the facts because a number of those who do not pay federal income taxes are retirees who generally tend to vote for the Republican. And a great number of Obama supporters pay income taxes, some of us quite a bit! And that’s just taking issue with the facts, not to mention his insulting opinion of half of the citizens of the nation.

    I don’t know if Romney is really ignorant enough to believe what he said, or if he was intentionally lying to these fat cats in exchange for some huge campaign contributions. Then again it doesn’t matter much. Either way it’s bad, awfully bad.

    It is said that character is what you do when no one’s looking. Likewise, character is what you say when you think that no one is listening in. Romney just had a pop quiz in Character 101 and he flunked.

  6. Ha! Quite informative, José. I didn’t know he was referring only to the non-tax payers. That makes even more sense. To add to your argument, many of those non-federal-tax payers (who are not retirees) are also conservative and hard-working. They intuitively know that if their “fat-cat” employer has to pay more taxes it means less pay for them, or at the very least that tax money goes through waste and inefficiency before they reap any benefit from it in government social services.

    Romeny may have got the two confused here. It is not that cut and dry. I thought he might be referring to just the polls since the numbers seem to be so similar, but I can see now in context that he was targeting the non-tax payer. Probably not a good idea, since many of those guys do actually support him. Again, he’s no Reagan, but he’s better than the alternative.

  7. José

    So perhaps it was neither abject cluelessness nor self-serving deceit, but merely a case of confusing two similar numbers? Unfortunate but very understandable. It’s the kind of honest mistake that would matter only if Gov. Romney was portraying himself as some sort of whiz bang CEO, the kind of guy who can analyze hard data and extract important truths from them.

  8. Well, his track record seems to prove that. He’s been very successful in business—not like the other guy who’s only been mediocre at “community organizing.” Maybe Romney has just been good at finding great people to make him appear successful. Like Paul Ryan! (Sorry about that. That’s just egging you on. I’ll shut-up now.)

  9. Bill Smith

    If you are thinking of voting for Romney read this.

    WHAT DO MORMONS BELIEVE? Acording to Pat Robertson. This is from the CBN website.
    Mormons are some of the most exemplary human beings, especially in regard to their behavior patterns and their adherence to the fundamental values of our society. But their religious beliefs are, to put is simply, wrong. They believe that an angel named Moroni left some gold tablets in upstate New York and that these tablets were discovered by a man named Joseph Smith. From these tablets, Joseph Smith “translated” the Book of Mormon, which is the foundation upon which Mormonism is built. Mormons also consider two other books, Doctrine and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Price, to be divinely inspired.

    Mormonism differs from biblical Christianity in several areas. Mormons do not believe, for example, that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ. Mormons must work their way to heaven. (B. R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine (Salt Lake City:1958), p. 191.)

    Mormonism teaches that God is not the only deity and that we all have the potential of becoming gods. (Ibid., p. 576.) (Remember that Satan’s fall came about because he wanted to be like God.) God, according to Mormons, is not just Spirit but has “a body of flesh and bones as tangible as a man’s.” (Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22.) They teach, “As we are, he was. As he is, we shall become.” (Joseph Smith, “The King Follett Discourse,” p. 9.) There has been constant revision of Mormon doctrine over the years, as church leaders have changed their minds on a number of subjects including polygamy, which was once sanctioned by the church.

    In summary, the Mormon church is a prosperous, growing organization that has produced many people of exemplary character. But when it comes to spiritual matters, the Mormons are far from the truth.
    *end quote
    Why do Christains support this guy?

  10. Hi Bill, Here you go:

    Point 1: What does it matter, and how does believing in the Joseph Smith story disqualify us as being rational? There are a lot more fantastical stories in the Bible itself. If you think Mormon beliefs are crazy, than you must also disqualify all those other Bible-thumping nut jobs out there.

    Point 2: Mormons do NOT believe we “work” our way into heaven. I don’t know how Pat Robinson gets that out of the reference he cites. We believe that it is only through the grace of Jesus Christ that we are saved. Anything we do is infinitely inadequate to redeem us. We simply believe in the Apostle James when he said that faith without works is dead. We demonstrate our faith through our works, the one naturally leads to the other and vise versa. We usually don’t buy into people lying and stealing, adulterers, etc. claiming they are “saved” because they said some sort of phrase or were dunked under water at some point in the past. We don’t completely rule it out, though, since no one but God knows the heart.

    Point 3: Please forgive us when we take Jesus’ words literally when He said, “All that my Father hath shall be given you.” And that we are “heirs” and “joint heirs” with Christ. We are called “children” of God. What do our “children” do here on Earth? They grow up to be like us. Ditto between us and our Heavenly “Father.” This is not at all revolutionary or odd, except to those like Pat Robinson who have a hate-filled agenda. Many sects of Christianity believe the same to varying degrees both past and present. Satan’s sin was that he wanted God’s “honor” and the power to force others to his will (or what he claimed to be God’s will). Becoming like God was not the sin. God is a perfect Being and the Personification of all Righteousness; what fool would not want to be perfect and completely righteous? Christ said, “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.” Maybe He should have also said, “But not as perfect as God, you need to be a little corrupt so that you are not exactly like Him,” but He didn’t.

    Point 4: When Christ came back to Earth after His resurrection, He told His disciples, “Touch me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bone as you see me have.” The Apostle Thomas felt the wounds in our Savior’s hands and feet after He was resurrected. Okay, maybe we Mormons are just not “spiritual” enough—we take the words for what they are. Maybe we should sit in the Lotus Position with Pat for a while and see what was really meant by “flesh and bone.” Hmm… was it just “spiritual” flesh and bone?

    Point 5: First of all the Catholic Church and many others have changed their “doctrine” quite a bit over the years. By that standard we could be considered normal and like any other Christian church. However, we have never changed our core doctrine. We never disavowed polygamy per se. We believe that it is an option when God commands it, and only then. Abraham had several wives; Jacob had multiple wives as well. Were some of the twelve tribes of Israel bastards because they had different mothers? We do not practice polygamy now (thank goodness) because God commanded it to cease, and because it is now illegal and we believe in upholding the law. We will never practice it again, unless God commands it or sanctions it, which He has not. If you’re looking for “weirdness” in Mormonism, this is about it. But it is no more “weird” than many of the Old Testament Bible stories every Christian reads to his children at night.

    Conclusion: You don’t have to believe any of our doctrines to support a Mormon in the political or business world. We don’t believe the sacrament wine and bread become the literal flesh and blood of Christ like the Catholics do, but that doesn’t stop us from supporting a good man (like Paul Ryan) who is Catholic from leading our country to a better future. Our twelfth Article of Faith reads: “We claim the privilege of worshipping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience and accord all men the same privilege—let them worship where, when or what they may.” We would only ask the same of you.

  11. Correction: I misquoted the Article of Faith above. It is actually our eleventh Article of Faith and at the end reads “… and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.”

    Sorry about that.

  12. perplexed

    I wonder what the percentage was after 8 years of Clinton!

  13. José

    Appears that Gov. Romney is not the fabled White Horse of Mormon prophecy after all. Guess we’ll have to wait a while longer.

  14. perplexed

    You know, when I had some time to myself to reflect on the past, lately the releasing of all the mental patients under the Reagan admistration comes to mind and it really makes me wonder how it has affected the Republican party now !!!!

  15. Perplexed

    Scary, isn’t it?


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