Bishops in TX, CA, HI, KS oppose KTF

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The number of bishops and standing committees opposing the bishop-elect of Northern Michigan continues to grow. And a short analysis of the votes suggests that the opposition is coming from the left and the right. (See below)

A spokeswoman for the diocese of Kentucky and provisional bishop of Fort Worth confirms that bishop Ted Gulick is casting two no votes, one on behalf of each diocese.

Earlier this week, Bishop James Adams of Western Kansas told me that he voted to withhold consent from Kevin G. Thew Forrester.

Adams said Thew Forrester’s “actions with the prayer book were beyond the pale” and are not allowed by church law.

He also expressed concerns with Thew Forrester’s Buddhist lay ordination (called a jukai). In that ceremony, Thew Forrester received a dharma name (Genpo, meaning “Way of Universal Wisdom”, wore a raku and agreed to follow a long list of Buddhist vows or precepts.

“His Buddhist vows, the precepts of Buddhism, are not in line with Christianity,” Adams said.

The bishop of Western Kansas also disputed Thew Forrester’s statement that it wasn’t God’s will or God’s plan for Jesus Christ to die on the cross.

Adams said he “absolutely” believes that the crucifixion was God’s will. “Jesus chose to give into his Father in the garden. He said ‘Not my will, but thy will be done.’ That’s pretty explicit to me. Of course you have to believe Scriptures. See, that’s the other thing. If you don’t believe what Jesus said about himself, then why are you a Christian?”

Asked if it’s heresy to teach that it wasn’t God’s will or plan for Christ to die on the cross, Adams said:

“Heresy demands a court. Heresy demands that a council of the church declare a heresy. But there have been certain heresies in the church’s history which have pretty much paralleled what this man is teaching. So I can’t say he’s a heretic, but on the other hand I’ll say that there have been heresies taught that are quite similar to what he is teaching.”

Also this week, a call to Honolulu confirmed that the Bishop of Hawaii has withheld consent.

The bishop of West Texas, the Rev. Gary R. Lillibridge is also a “no” vote, a diocesan spokeswoman confirmed today (Thursday, April 23, 2009).

The Rev. Don Wimberly, bishop of Texas and former bishop of Lexington, Ky. has also voted to not give consent, a diocesan spokeswoman told me on Wednesday. The diocesan standing committee also declined to give consent.

Meanwhile, the rector of Christ Church in Bradenton, Fla. reports that the standing committee in Southwest Florida has voted to withhold consent.

And the bishop of San Diego, James R. Mathes, has sent a letter to his clergy announcing that he, too, has decided to oppose Thew Forrester.

Writes Mathes: “At the heart of our faith and our baptismal covenant are the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I have come to a disquieting conclusion that Fr. Thew Forrester’s presentation of the faith is an offering devoid of our traditional understanding of the redemptive work of Christ on the cross.”

The standing committee of Tenessee is meeting today, I am told, so a decision from Nashville could be coming shortly.

Through a staff member, the bishop of Alabama, Henry Nutt Parsley Jr., declined to say whether he’s giving consent, saying his vote is confidential.

The bishop of Fond du Lac told me he isn’t revealing which way he voted.

It may be that there are dozens of bishops lining up to support Thew Forrester, but they’ve been lying low this week. If any of them announce their votes, I’ll let you know.

Also this week, the head of the 2.9-million-member Assemblies of God said only an apostate church could consecrate Thew Forrester:

“The facts of the Christian faith are that Jesus is God’s Son, born of the virgin Mary, lived a sinless life, died for our sins, rose again from the dead, ascended into heaven, and is coming again. A Christian will agree with these facts. If a denomination or church is Christian, it will agree with these facts,” General Superintendent George Wood said. “If a so-called bishop does not agree with the central elements of the Christian faith, then he should not call himself a Christian, let alone a bishop – nor should a church ordain him. He is an apostate from the Faith; and a church that ordains such a one is also apostate.”

Meanwhile, an analysis of the vote suggests that opposition to Thew Forrester isn’t simply a matter of right vs. left.

It’s hard to tell whether bishop-elect Kevin G. Thew Forrester will receive consent to join the House of Bishops. But there are signs that he is facing a real battle. He would be the first bishop-elect rejected on theological grounds since 1875.

If the same bishops who backed Gene Robinson in 2003 backed Thew Forrester in 2009, the Michigander would win in a landslide. After all, Robinson won 63-42 in the House of Bishops, with two bishops not voting. And many of those anti-Robinson bishops have left the Episcopal Church, in some instances attempting to take their entire diocese with them.

But an analysis of the consent votes thus far suggests Thew Forrester’s election may be in jeopardy — even with the bishops of San Joaquin, Pittsburgh, Fort Worth and Quincy out of the picture.

Here’s why: The bishops of Hawaii, Kentucky, Arkansas, Olympia and Bethlehem all voted for Robinson in 2003. All five have voted against Thew Forrester in 2009. [This could be because there are new people holding these posts in several instances. Or it may suggest that Thew Forrester's support is weaker than Robinson's.]

I’m not aware of any bishops who opposed Robinson in 2003 who are supporting Thew Forrester in 2009. They may very well exist, but it’s hard to find out because the Episcopal News Service and the presiding bishop aren’t releasing any tallies.

These figures suggest that this is not strictly a liberal-conservative issue. If it were, the outcome would not be in doubt. Nor is it a split between those who favor full inclusion for gays in ordained ministry and those who oppose it.

There are a few wild cards that could impact the outcome. Among them — Episcopal bishops from outside the U.S. In 2003, they voted overwhelmingly against Robinson. If they vote overwhelmingly against Thew Forrester, he will be hard-pressed to gain consent.

It’s hard, logistically, for journalists to track down bishops and standing committees — and get timely responses — in 110 dioceses. My experience is that most bishops are willing to say how they voted, once you get a hold of them. But these are busy, busy people and it’s hard and time consuming to track them all down.

If you hear of a bishop or a standing committee voting to give or withhold consent in your diocese, please drop me an e-mail and let me know, so that I can post it.

3 Responses to “Bishops in TX, CA, HI, KS oppose KTF”

  1. Asinus Gravis Says:

    Praise be to God! I am privileged to know exactly about God’s plans on things in this world. I know, for example, just what Her plan was for Jesus’ life and death (or pseudo-death).

    If you are in any doubts about this just ask me–politely.

  2. FenelonSpoke Says:

    I can’t speak for anyone else here, but I don’t feel a need to consult trolls about their theology, particularly one whose handle is “Asinus”.”

  3. Linda McMIllan Says:

    I have heard that Thew Forrester’s Christology is inadequate but I have not seen even one small shred of evidence to support such a claim. Not even a little bit. And, just let me say, if you all think that you spend each and every moment right on the Nicene dime regarding your own Christology then you might need a reality check. The reality is that from day to day, sometimes from moment to moment, we lean towards one or another heresy. There are two main reasons for this which I imagine you are not too interested in. But, just get honest about that Christology thing why don’t you?

    I can see no conflict between Buddhist practice and being a Christian. In fact, I would be pleased to have someone in the House of Bishops with a spiritual practice. ANY spiritual practice. And, it’s just that, a practice. It’s a discipline, not a belief. …I can’t believe I am even saying that because it’s been said a hundred times before already.

    As for his innovative liturgies, and thank God someone is being innovative, if it had been beyond the pale, as has been suggested, then Thew Forrester would have had to face the music on that with his bishop. I just don’t think that holds much water. Maybe you don’t like Thew Forrester’s liturgical innovations but it is only for his bishop to decide whether or not they are beyond anything.

    My objection to Thew Forrester is that I think he and the diocesan leadership ran roughshod over their procedures. And, even if they did follow the letter of the law, they did not take the care or the time to explain any new or innovative methods to others. There’s a hubris there. It’s uncaring. I think it’s just too ugly to overlook.

    But, as for the rest of it… for the love of God, give it a rest.

    Oh, and who cares what the Assemblies of God guy thinks? He’s not an Episcopalian. And, based on his so-called “facts of the Christian faith” I can tell you I am not interested in hearing anymore from him. My only response to that guy is YIKES!

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