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		<title>By: David Duke</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, Caleb, I love reading your posts.  They make me think, even if I don&#039;t always agree....until you put in a line like that last one.  You just love to generalize and state your own judgements as &quot;law&quot; concerning the beliefs and motives of those who don&#039;t agree with you.  As I&#039;ve heard President-elect Biden say his father taught him; it&#039;s OK to question judgement of another person, just not their motives.   

Besides that, though, help me understand the point about the whole jurisdiction issue.  What you&#039;re saying is that it&#039;s not OK for them to join with a church who is based outside of the US?  I guess I just can&#039;t understand all this &quot;franchise&quot; talk when you&#039;re speaking of a church.  Who cares if they join up with the Anglican church based in England, or elsewhere, if they choose?  Is it because they want to continue to be called Episcopalian?  

I&#039;m trying to understand, really.  It&#039;s interesting to me, but since I have no &quot;protestant&quot; background, sometimes it&#039;s a little confusing.  

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Caleb, I love reading your posts.  They make me think, even if I don&#8217;t always agree&#8230;.until you put in a line like that last one.  You just love to generalize and state your own judgements as &#8220;law&#8221; concerning the beliefs and motives of those who don&#8217;t agree with you.  As I&#8217;ve heard President-elect Biden say his father taught him; it&#8217;s OK to question judgement of another person, just not their motives.   </p>
<p>Besides that, though, help me understand the point about the whole jurisdiction issue.  What you&#8217;re saying is that it&#8217;s not OK for them to join with a church who is based outside of the US?  I guess I just can&#8217;t understand all this &#8220;franchise&#8221; talk when you&#8217;re speaking of a church.  Who cares if they join up with the Anglican church based in England, or elsewhere, if they choose?  Is it because they want to continue to be called Episcopalian?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to understand, really.  It&#8217;s interesting to me, but since I have no &#8220;protestant&#8221; background, sometimes it&#8217;s a little confusing.  </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb Powers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AG, this isn&#039;t about control, it&#039;s about the use of a name. There&#039;s no reason that every Episcopalian in America can&#039;t leave the church today, if they think it&#039;s too liberal, and form their own church. A few parishes did that back in the &#039;70s, when they couldn&#039;t take the ordination of women or the new prayer book.

But they didn&#039;t claim to be members of the Anglican Communion, and therein lies the rub. The Anglican Communion is a franchise operation, and the Episcopal Church has the franchise in the US. What these people want is not control, it&#039;s to be able to say that they&#039;re members of the Anglican Communion. And they&#039;ve gone about it through a bunch of hocus-pocus involving bishops and dioceses from around the globe who apparently have solved their own problems to the degree that they can meddle in ours. As a traditional Episcopalian (which might well be different from being a traditional Anglican), I hope that the Anglican Communion tells these folks that they can leave if they want to, but can&#039;t join up with someone else who has no jurisdiction over the United States. One would think that &quot;conservatives&quot; would understand the importance of church structure, but alas, their homophobia apparently clouds all else in their minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AG, this isn&#8217;t about control, it&#8217;s about the use of a name. There&#8217;s no reason that every Episcopalian in America can&#8217;t leave the church today, if they think it&#8217;s too liberal, and form their own church. A few parishes did that back in the &#8217;70s, when they couldn&#8217;t take the ordination of women or the new prayer book.</p>
<p>But they didn&#8217;t claim to be members of the Anglican Communion, and therein lies the rub. The Anglican Communion is a franchise operation, and the Episcopal Church has the franchise in the US. What these people want is not control, it&#8217;s to be able to say that they&#8217;re members of the Anglican Communion. And they&#8217;ve gone about it through a bunch of hocus-pocus involving bishops and dioceses from around the globe who apparently have solved their own problems to the degree that they can meddle in ours. As a traditional Episcopalian (which might well be different from being a traditional Anglican), I hope that the Anglican Communion tells these folks that they can leave if they want to, but can&#8217;t join up with someone else who has no jurisdiction over the United States. One would think that &#8220;conservatives&#8221; would understand the importance of church structure, but alas, their homophobia apparently clouds all else in their minds.</p>
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		<title>By: Asinus Gravis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asinus Gravis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the determination to maintain domination and control shows up in all sorts of places.  

John Dominic Crossan has noted that such is the essence of civilization, and that Jesus was a threat because the Kingdom of God he ushered in insisted in flipping that domination system approach to social (and spiritual) relations on its head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the determination to maintain domination and control shows up in all sorts of places.  </p>
<p>John Dominic Crossan has noted that such is the essence of civilization, and that Jesus was a threat because the Kingdom of God he ushered in insisted in flipping that domination system approach to social (and spiritual) relations on its head.</p>
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