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		<title>By: José</title>
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		<dc:creator>José</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many Christians understand our faith to concern the &quot;here and now&quot;, not just the &quot;hereafter&quot;.  Jesus had a few things to say about that.  Actually a lot of things.  A whole lot of things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many Christians understand our faith to concern the &#8220;here and now&#8221;, not just the &#8220;hereafter&#8221;.  Jesus had a few things to say about that.  Actually a lot of things.  A whole lot of things.</p>
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		<title>By: cheese</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s something I&#039;ve been wondering for some time: If the aborted fetus goes to heaven, what&#039;s the problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve been wondering for some time: If the aborted fetus goes to heaven, what&#8217;s the problem?</p>
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		<title>By: José</title>
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		<dc:creator>José</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the right of free speech in utero, that reminds me of this true story.

A girl who I knew in high school was staunchly anti-abortion.  This was back in the days just after Roe vs. Wade when the lines were not as clearly drawn, before the two sides were so formalized.  One day this girl was passing around something a flyer of sorts.  It was written in first person as a sort of journal, from the point of view of an &quot;unborn child&quot;.  Day 1 was conception.  Day 2 was splitting into multiple cells.  As the days went on the fetus wrote in great detail of the development taking place in the womb, the tiny fingers and toes and the appearance of major organs and such.  Each day&#039;s entry was longer and the excitement of the little fetus grew as well.  Then at week 22 there was a short, blunt statement.  &quot;Today my mommy killed me.&quot;  Our narrator had been aborted.

My friend was moved to tears by the flyer, but all I could think was how ridiculous it was to pretend that a second trimester fetus could write!  Heck, I would have been glad to protect the right of speech for anyone so eloquent, born or unborn.  This flyer deeply affected my friend, and I guess it affected me too because I then realized that the anti-abortion rights side would be debating not on objective facts but instead would use fiction to stir up emotions.  That tactic seemed wrong then and it still seems wrong today.

As a footnote, this friend became pregnant by her boyfriend before her senior year.  She remained true to her principles and had the baby.  She dropped out of school and they got married.  I think they still are today.  They have more children.  Maybe she finished high school, I really don&#039;t know.  In any case, I am happy that she was able to make a choice that was right for her personally.  Everyone in her situation should have that right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the right of free speech in utero, that reminds me of this true story.</p>
<p>A girl who I knew in high school was staunchly anti-abortion.  This was back in the days just after Roe vs. Wade when the lines were not as clearly drawn, before the two sides were so formalized.  One day this girl was passing around something a flyer of sorts.  It was written in first person as a sort of journal, from the point of view of an &#8220;unborn child&#8221;.  Day 1 was conception.  Day 2 was splitting into multiple cells.  As the days went on the fetus wrote in great detail of the development taking place in the womb, the tiny fingers and toes and the appearance of major organs and such.  Each day&#8217;s entry was longer and the excitement of the little fetus grew as well.  Then at week 22 there was a short, blunt statement.  &#8220;Today my mommy killed me.&#8221;  Our narrator had been aborted.</p>
<p>My friend was moved to tears by the flyer, but all I could think was how ridiculous it was to pretend that a second trimester fetus could write!  Heck, I would have been glad to protect the right of speech for anyone so eloquent, born or unborn.  This flyer deeply affected my friend, and I guess it affected me too because I then realized that the anti-abortion rights side would be debating not on objective facts but instead would use fiction to stir up emotions.  That tactic seemed wrong then and it still seems wrong today.</p>
<p>As a footnote, this friend became pregnant by her boyfriend before her senior year.  She remained true to her principles and had the baby.  She dropped out of school and they got married.  I think they still are today.  They have more children.  Maybe she finished high school, I really don&#8217;t know.  In any case, I am happy that she was able to make a choice that was right for her personally.  Everyone in her situation should have that right.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb Powers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, very well said, Cheese. People forget that every situation is different. I wonder why a woman&#039;s right to choose is not a conservative priority. It certainly used to be; George Bush I&#039;s father, Prescott Bush, was on the national board of Planned Parenthood, and most Republican politicians in the &#039;70s supported the right to choose. I would think that conservatives, if they are truly interested in individual freedom, would want Mrs. Tebow, not the government or her doctors, deciding what to do. She did, and as Cheese points out, in retrospect it all looks great, but that result wasn&#039;t guaranteed. Of course, now that she had the right to choose, she wants to deny that right to others. Again, how is this a conservative principle? I always thought conservatives were interested in individual freedom, and against government control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, very well said, Cheese. People forget that every situation is different. I wonder why a woman&#8217;s right to choose is not a conservative priority. It certainly used to be; George Bush I&#8217;s father, Prescott Bush, was on the national board of Planned Parenthood, and most Republican politicians in the &#8217;70s supported the right to choose. I would think that conservatives, if they are truly interested in individual freedom, would want Mrs. Tebow, not the government or her doctors, deciding what to do. She did, and as Cheese points out, in retrospect it all looks great, but that result wasn&#8217;t guaranteed. Of course, now that she had the right to choose, she wants to deny that right to others. Again, how is this a conservative principle? I always thought conservatives were interested in individual freedom, and against government control.</p>
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		<title>By: cheese</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regard to Mrs. Tebow, I think she has an amazing story to tell. She got sick, she made a decision to keep the baby despite the complications that might arise, and she wound up giving birth to a kid with serious NFL potential. Was it the best decision to make? In hindsight, yes. But her end results were unique to say the least. Sometimes those complications are real, sometimes babies are not born healthy or alive at all, and sometimes the mother dies in childbirth. If Pam Tebow had died in childbirth, how would her other children have fared without their mother? How would their future be different now? Her doctors made her aware of possible complications. They gave her the right to make her own choice, and she made it. Full disclosure has its price; it forces us to make tough decisions. Pam Tebow was allowed to make her choice. Sounds like a victory for choice in my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regard to Mrs. Tebow, I think she has an amazing story to tell. She got sick, she made a decision to keep the baby despite the complications that might arise, and she wound up giving birth to a kid with serious NFL potential. Was it the best decision to make? In hindsight, yes. But her end results were unique to say the least. Sometimes those complications are real, sometimes babies are not born healthy or alive at all, and sometimes the mother dies in childbirth. If Pam Tebow had died in childbirth, how would her other children have fared without their mother? How would their future be different now? Her doctors made her aware of possible complications. They gave her the right to make her own choice, and she made it. Full disclosure has its price; it forces us to make tough decisions. Pam Tebow was allowed to make her choice. Sounds like a victory for choice in my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: newark survivor</title>
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		<dc:creator>newark survivor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right, Caleb; and for the left wing, you don&#039;t have it in utero either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right, Caleb; and for the left wing, you don&#8217;t have it in utero either.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in Colorado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike in Colorado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been a while since I have chimed in.  Glad to see you all holding down the fort and maintaining fair and decent discussions. I might not agree with some of the views, but I certainly enjoy the thoughtful civility you maintain. Well, here goes...Kudos to Ms. Jenkins&#039; for her courage to write her hard-hitting and I think fair opinion, and in the Washington Post. (I lived in the DC area for many years and was a Post subscriber.) Not sure I will even watch the SuperBowl and the ads, but I am curious to learn about the tenor and tone of the Tebow ad. Why this ad, at this SuperBowl, at this time?  I am fascinated.  Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been a while since I have chimed in.  Glad to see you all holding down the fort and maintaining fair and decent discussions. I might not agree with some of the views, but I certainly enjoy the thoughtful civility you maintain. Well, here goes&#8230;Kudos to Ms. Jenkins&#8217; for her courage to write her hard-hitting and I think fair opinion, and in the Washington Post. (I lived in the DC area for many years and was a Post subscriber.) Not sure I will even watch the SuperBowl and the ads, but I am curious to learn about the tenor and tone of the Tebow ad. Why this ad, at this SuperBowl, at this time?  I am fascinated.  Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb Powers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jose, to social conservatives, the right to free speech begins at conception, and ends with birth . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose, to social conservatives, the right to free speech begins at conception, and ends with birth . . .</p>
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		<title>By: José</title>
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		<dc:creator>José</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pam Tebow has a genuine pro-choice story to tell.&quot;  Perhaps.  There is some question as the the truthfulness of the story.  Regardless, the story is ironic and hypocritical when used in an ANTI-choice commercial.  After all, Ms. Tebow had a choice, one which she wants to deny to others.

And while on the subject of truth, this &quot;great read&quot; by columnist Jenkins accuses the NOW of advocating beer and sex advertisements.  (Fact check, please?)  Jenkins asserts false choices: You are either for the Tebow commercial or for exposing one&#039;s rear in public.  The Tebow commercial, or reckless promiscuity.  There&#039;s your pro-choice, suckers!

Jenkins praises Tim Tebow for his much ridiculed stance in favor of premarital chastity.  I&#039;m cool with that.  Jenkins then expresses her strong support in favor of free speech for the Tebows, James Dobson, and CBS.  I&#039;m cool with that too, but at the same time can we extend the same right of free speech to the National Organization of Women, and allow them the opportunity to rebut what is clearly a message for restricting the rights of women?  Are we permitted to grill the network about its inconsistency in allowing this advocacy ad for the religious right while denying airtime to liberal causes?  According to Ms. Jenkins, apparently not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pam Tebow has a genuine pro-choice story to tell.&#8221;  Perhaps.  There is some question as the the truthfulness of the story.  Regardless, the story is ironic and hypocritical when used in an ANTI-choice commercial.  After all, Ms. Tebow had a choice, one which she wants to deny to others.</p>
<p>And while on the subject of truth, this &#8220;great read&#8221; by columnist Jenkins accuses the NOW of advocating beer and sex advertisements.  (Fact check, please?)  Jenkins asserts false choices: You are either for the Tebow commercial or for exposing one&#8217;s rear in public.  The Tebow commercial, or reckless promiscuity.  There&#8217;s your pro-choice, suckers!</p>
<p>Jenkins praises Tim Tebow for his much ridiculed stance in favor of premarital chastity.  I&#8217;m cool with that.  Jenkins then expresses her strong support in favor of free speech for the Tebows, James Dobson, and CBS.  I&#8217;m cool with that too, but at the same time can we extend the same right of free speech to the National Organization of Women, and allow them the opportunity to rebut what is clearly a message for restricting the rights of women?  Are we permitted to grill the network about its inconsistency in allowing this advocacy ad for the religious right while denying airtime to liberal causes?  According to Ms. Jenkins, apparently not.</p>
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		<title>By: madgebaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>madgebaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a problem with this ad being shown.  What I do disagree with is the fact that other &quot;controversial&quot; ads (like the one from the UCC) were rejected.  Sadly, objectifying women and glamorizing drunkenness are not controversial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with this ad being shown.  What I do disagree with is the fact that other &#8220;controversial&#8221; ads (like the one from the UCC) were rejected.  Sadly, objectifying women and glamorizing drunkenness are not controversial.</p>
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