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	<title>Comments on: What did you think of those inaugural prayers?</title>
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		<title>By: Caleb Powers</title>
		<link>http://biblebeltblogger.com/index.php/religion/what-did-you-think-of-those-inaugural-prayers/comment-page-1#comment-16263</link>
		<dc:creator>Caleb Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prayers may be prayers, but they&#039;re speaches, too. Otherwise, they&#039;d be prayed silently like the Bible recommends. If we&#039;re going to go down the road of praying publicly as the Pharisees did, we should at least try to avoid overt plagiarism. There&#039;s nothing wrong with praying a prayer that says, &quot;as thy servant Big Bill Broonzy sang many years ago . . . &quot; and the like. I&#039;ve heard ministers quote scripture in prayers, and allude to all manner of things said by others. Usually, what they&#039;re quoting is so obvious that attribution is not necessary, but when one gets to old blues lyrics, even God might appreciate a footnote, if only to see what song to go listen to. And, it doesn&#039;t have to be in the prayer itself. One could provide a handout with the lyrics and attribution on it, with a note that the lyrics were quoted in the prayer. Of course, I&#039;m in favor of anything that increases the popularity of blues music. Frank asked the question earlier what the new administration could do for the non-religious: A primer on good blues music, even in the form of a prayer, wouldn&#039;t hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prayers may be prayers, but they&#8217;re speaches, too. Otherwise, they&#8217;d be prayed silently like the Bible recommends. If we&#8217;re going to go down the road of praying publicly as the Pharisees did, we should at least try to avoid overt plagiarism. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with praying a prayer that says, &#8220;as thy servant Big Bill Broonzy sang many years ago . . . &#8221; and the like. I&#8217;ve heard ministers quote scripture in prayers, and allude to all manner of things said by others. Usually, what they&#8217;re quoting is so obvious that attribution is not necessary, but when one gets to old blues lyrics, even God might appreciate a footnote, if only to see what song to go listen to. And, it doesn&#8217;t have to be in the prayer itself. One could provide a handout with the lyrics and attribution on it, with a note that the lyrics were quoted in the prayer. Of course, I&#8217;m in favor of anything that increases the popularity of blues music. Frank asked the question earlier what the new administration could do for the non-religious: A primer on good blues music, even in the form of a prayer, wouldn&#8217;t hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: peach</title>
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		<dc:creator>peach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a section from Bill Broonzy&#039;s song:

people, you know that it&#039;s true 
If you&#039;re black and gotta work for livin&#039;, 
now, this is what they will say to you,

they says, &quot;If you was white, you&#039;d be alright, 
if you was brown, stick around, 
but if you&#039;re black, oh, brother, get back, get back, get back&quot;

I read it a second time and the Rev changed the wording from If you was white, you&#039;d be alright to: &quot;Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get back, when brown can stick around -- (laughter) -- when yellow will be mellow -- (laughter) -- when the red man can get ahead, man -- (laughter) -- and when white will embrace what is right.&quot;

These prayers at this &#039;historical-momentus&#039; Inaugration are going to be written on the books also. Which I think credit should be given where credit is due, even in speeches. One has to wonder what Obama&#039;s grandmother would have thought of the prayer, each night when she embraced Barack for a kiss goodnight before tucking him into bed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a section from Bill Broonzy&#8217;s song:</p>
<p>people, you know that it&#8217;s true<br />
If you&#8217;re black and gotta work for livin&#8217;,<br />
now, this is what they will say to you,</p>
<p>they says, &#8220;If you was white, you&#8217;d be alright,<br />
if you was brown, stick around,<br />
but if you&#8217;re black, oh, brother, get back, get back, get back&#8221;</p>
<p>I read it a second time and the Rev changed the wording from If you was white, you&#8217;d be alright to: &#8220;Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get back, when brown can stick around &#8212; (laughter) &#8212; when yellow will be mellow &#8212; (laughter) &#8212; when the red man can get ahead, man &#8212; (laughter) &#8212; and when white will embrace what is right.&#8221;</p>
<p>These prayers at this &#8216;historical-momentus&#8217; Inaugration are going to be written on the books also. Which I think credit should be given where credit is due, even in speeches. One has to wonder what Obama&#8217;s grandmother would have thought of the prayer, each night when she embraced Barack for a kiss goodnight before tucking him into bed.</p>
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		<title>By: UKLutheran</title>
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		<dc:creator>UKLutheran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not considered plagiarism... I mean, it was a prayer! Not a term paper!

Directly speaking to the divine... not a time to add a citation.... Plus, he was open about (and the press reported) the source of the words. 

Plagerism and the pulpit are touchy subjects, but part of the problem is a misunderstanding of what constitutes &quot;plagerism&quot; in spoken worship leadership. Ripping off someone&#039;s sermon is clearly out of line, but borrowing words happens all the time. The best practice is to reveal your sources, which Rev. Lowery did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not considered plagiarism&#8230; I mean, it was a prayer! Not a term paper!</p>
<p>Directly speaking to the divine&#8230; not a time to add a citation&#8230;. Plus, he was open about (and the press reported) the source of the words. </p>
<p>Plagerism and the pulpit are touchy subjects, but part of the problem is a misunderstanding of what constitutes &#8220;plagerism&#8221; in spoken worship leadership. Ripping off someone&#8217;s sermon is clearly out of line, but borrowing words happens all the time. The best practice is to reveal your sources, which Rev. Lowery did.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb Powers</title>
		<link>http://biblebeltblogger.com/index.php/religion/what-did-you-think-of-those-inaugural-prayers/comment-page-1#comment-16251</link>
		<dc:creator>Caleb Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rule appears to be that only Joe Biden can be gigged for plagiarism; everyone else seems able to get away with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rule appears to be that only Joe Biden can be gigged for plagiarism; everyone else seems able to get away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: José</title>
		<link>http://biblebeltblogger.com/index.php/religion/what-did-you-think-of-those-inaugural-prayers/comment-page-1#comment-16250</link>
		<dc:creator>José</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If preachers and politicians were vigorously prosecuted for plagiarism our jails would be overflowing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If preachers and politicians were vigorously prosecuted for plagiarism our jails would be overflowing.</p>
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		<title>By: peach</title>
		<link>http://biblebeltblogger.com/index.php/religion/what-did-you-think-of-those-inaugural-prayers/comment-page-1#comment-16249</link>
		<dc:creator>peach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Rev. Lowery&#039;s Benediction:  was part of prayer considered plagiarism since he did not credit Bill Bloozy with writing the song?  Just wondering</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Rev. Lowery&#8217;s Benediction:  was part of prayer considered plagiarism since he did not credit Bill Bloozy with writing the song?  Just wondering</p>
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		<title>By: José</title>
		<link>http://biblebeltblogger.com/index.php/religion/what-did-you-think-of-those-inaugural-prayers/comment-page-1#comment-16243</link>
		<dc:creator>José</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We say the Lord&#039;s Prayer in our church nearly every Sunday.  It&#039;s perfectly well suited for a Christian worship service.  But for a civic ceremony, especially one where the host took pains to include Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and even non-believers, Warren&#039;s prayer sent a strong and clear message that our citizens consist of two types, Christians and Others.  I&#039;m not clear on the actual purpose of an invocation, but Warren&#039;s address did not seem to satisfy it.

As for Lowery, I was amused and impressed that he encouraged so many people to join in the shouted responses of &quot;Amen!&quot;  Audience participation fits well with President Obama&#039;s themes of unity and shared responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We say the Lord&#8217;s Prayer in our church nearly every Sunday.  It&#8217;s perfectly well suited for a Christian worship service.  But for a civic ceremony, especially one where the host took pains to include Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and even non-believers, Warren&#8217;s prayer sent a strong and clear message that our citizens consist of two types, Christians and Others.  I&#8217;m not clear on the actual purpose of an invocation, but Warren&#8217;s address did not seem to satisfy it.</p>
<p>As for Lowery, I was amused and impressed that he encouraged so many people to join in the shouted responses of &#8220;Amen!&#8221;  Audience participation fits well with President Obama&#8217;s themes of unity and shared responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Sophia Katt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophia Katt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Rev. Warren could only behave in daily life in the fashion that he prays for during Inaugural Day, we could all rest a little easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Rev. Warren could only behave in daily life in the fashion that he prays for during Inaugural Day, we could all rest a little easier.</p>
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